PS3-Hacks.com / Hacking the PS3 using a bootloader

sc_bond · 2007-11-20 14:29:45

Forgive me if I'm wrong but could it be possible to edit a working bootloader or create one from scratch that allows a custom firmware install? In a way so that you go normally as if you're about to install another OS, the bootloader allows the XMB to give permissions for the OtherOS files to be installed. Well, if you had a bootloader that still does that but the install files are for custom firmware and it is flashed to the system. So instead of installing the OtherOS you'd be trickin the XMB into thinking you are when really you're flashing custom firmware.

My knowledge on making a bootloader or custom firmware is pretty much non-existent so if it's in no way possibly then oh well, it's an idea though! It is easier said than done but I'm very willing do do what I can and learn along the way!

Mick · 2007-11-20 15:24:09

only if sony was completly retarted

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sc_bond · 2007-11-20 15:27:04

Why's that?

Arakon · 2007-11-20 15:39:26

cause the firmware is encrypted, signed and protected.
flashing a custom firmware is NOT the issue, the infectus mod can already do that. making a working firmware is the real issue, and not just a matter of hexediting a few spots.

thesecretkeeper · 2007-11-20 17:08:59

you cant use infectus mod to put on cfw

i thought it just flashed the firmare that is on the other ps3 chip

Siptang · 2007-11-20 17:41:17

infectus is crap right now. It does absolutely nothing. 1.6-> 1.5? for what?

Who's @ 1.6 anyways?

nickb827 · 2007-11-20 19:30:52

I thought that it could downgrade it to any firmware as long as the NAND Flash came from your PS3. Am I right or wrong?

sc_bond · 2007-11-20 20:25:17

thesecretkeeper wrote:
you cant use infectus mod to put on cfw

i thought it just flashed the firmare that is on the other ps3 chip

Yea, what I meant was that, even though the PSP is totally different, it still uses the XMB and everything but has a recovery mode. I'd really like to see that and what I meant is cant you use a bootloader to allow the install files to install.

xXKILLERXx12 · 2007-11-20 21:34:57

sc_bond wrote:
thesecretkeeper wrote:
you cant use infectus mod to put on cfw

i thought it just flashed the firmare that is on the other ps3 chip
Yea, what I meant was that, even though the PSP is totally different, it still uses the XMB and everything but has a recovery mode. I'd really like to see that and what I meant is cant you use a bootloader to allow the install files to install.

...but theirs still the incription key that you need...

ERIFNOMI · 2007-11-20 23:36:47

are you talking about installing a custom firmware as other OS? Because with Other OS we have limited accress to the hardware. Like we can't use the RSX GPU. (which would pretty much make it worthless. No GPU no Games)

sc_bond · 2007-11-21 07:47:54

No, just using the bootloader in order to install the files.

DVC · 2007-11-21 08:34:49

So to summarize; your idea is to code a bootloader to run as an OtherOS installation. Instead of it actually installing to the OtherOS partition, it tricks the console into installing over the top of GameOS?(This is of course presuming at some point someone will decrypt an original F/W and have the ability to rewrite it.)

sc_bond · 2007-11-21 12:37:36

Well it was just an idea. I thought the problem was that people couldn't hack the PS3 and not that the problem was decrypting the official firmware.

I've noticed that whenever someone new on this forum asks a question or has an idea they are dismissed and treated like idiots. So sorry for having an idea and being eager to learn about and hack the the PS3.

Mick · 2007-11-21 16:43:41

sorry sc-bond it just gets really annoying when people who have followed some tut to hack there psp thinks there some leet hacker then come here and post $hit thats been posted many times. it just gets annoying

Arakon · 2007-11-21 16:44:39

siptang wrote:
infectus is crap right now. It does absolutely nothing. 1.6-> 1.5? for what?

Who's @ 1.6 anyways?

you clearly didn't understand what the infectus is for. you could also downgrade from 2.1 to 1.0 if you have a dump of your 1.0 firmware, flash a modified firmware (properly encrypted, of course), etc. the infectus is NOT a modchip in the common sense, but a flash/patch tool. look at the other things it can do, flash/recover xbox360 drives, act as a mod for the wii, downgrade the 360 kernel to an exploitable one, etc.

you cant use infectus mod to put on cfw

i thought it just flashed the firmare that is on the other ps3 chip

it flashes anything you want to the ps3 firmware chips, including a custom firmware IF it existed.

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sc_bond · 2007-11-27 12:58:13

mick wrote:
sorry sc-bond it just gets really annoying when people who have followed some tut to hack there psp thinks there some leet hacker then come here and post $hit thats been posted many times. it just gets annoying

No problem. When I arrived here I learned that the PS3 and PSP are totally different and understand that. I know they have totally different hardware. I just had the idea and wondered if it were in anyway way possible.

Not that I can decrypt files as I haven't got a clue how to, but how would I see the firmware files?

Powerslave · 2007-11-27 16:17:35

The idea with Infectus NOW, is to reflash your NAND with an exploitabe BIOS or KERNEL. You can't flash a hacked one yet, till they get the encryption stuff handled. However, say someday, like with XB360, they find that, say V1.70 has a serious hole in it, and allows access to the Hypervisor. Well, you downgrade to that, with infectus, then exploit away. This is now being done with the XB360, you can now downgrade your XB360 to one of the two exploitable Kernels. It also helps you change your KEYVAULT to unban the console from XBOX Live.

As I keep telling people: They did it right this time, it is going to take an accident to hack the systems to allow access where it is needed, without hacking the optical drives. There are so many layers of security now, you can't begin to understand. The CPU alone has eFuse technology, which in itself prevents downgrading the easy way. You need the tools, brains, and skills, and the only people who know what to do, made the console. So, until one of THEM gets disgruntled enough to spill it, we're SOL.

The developers do not even have 100% access, they write on DEV KITS, with no real security, and well, why should they, they're making the game, they need to TEST it. However they are made to run developed code, not finished product, else they would be able to run backups. Their code they write from the DEV KITs are even worthless to us, because they need compiled, and signed. It it always nice to see what the code looks like, what it does, how it does it. Everything they do, goes to Sony for approval, if so; it is compiled, SIGNED with the key, and printed to disc. The DEV KITs are not magic makers for the consumer. Sure, they can write a program to load games to the HDD, run backups, and run it on their DEV KITs; but, it won't make it any farther than their development laboratories... Sony would have to compile it, sign it, and print it to disc, NOT... So, the program can stay in storage for years, AHHH, till someone can hack the console to run code that is NOT signed, or can get access to the hypervisor. THEN, the code leaks out of their storage compartment...

Anyhow, the PS3 is welded up pretty tight...

ps3_hacker1234 · 2007-11-27 17:16:56

so until we have an exploit which allows us to run unsigned code on the console, we cant do nothing to do with custom firmware?

coldtoiletseat · 2007-11-29 00:17:59

from the instant you turn the console on, the PS3's hypervisor is running. So you just can't think that an "other OS" will let you do anything you want. The PS3's hypervisor is still running while your on YDL or whatever distro of Linux you have installed on your PS3.

Code Red · 2007-12-01 08:15:54

I thought Infectus was basicly an unsigned code/exploit and it does a small amount of flashing as well
I know it needs an orig. nand backup from the system it is flashing to but it is the same with the psp
(and before anyone bitches about how much the PS3 differs from the psp; I know that)
It is far from cfw use but it is a major starting point
such an advance can't be called crap

Powerslave · 2007-12-01 11:14:18

I already told you what the Infectus chip does, if you don't want to get it, fine...

VuZuW · 2007-12-05 18:05:00

So for now the InFectus is useless until we actually find an exploit?

nickb827 · 2007-12-05 19:26:24

No, it lets you access the nand on the PS3, it doesn't have anything to do with exploits!

togusa_9890 · 2008-07-07 13:17:07

basically, there are NO ways to hack (like the psp) the ps3. am i right? but does that still mean that i can put some of the stuff on this website into an out-of-the-box ps3?

if so, what would you use to import the stuff into the ps3? a simple USB jump drive, or something like that?

forgive me, im a ps3 noob.

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Jsamp · 2008-07-07 13:29:51

First off I would like to congratulate you on reviving a 7 month old thread.

To answer your questions NO the PS3 is not hacked in any way what so ever. To get files such as mp3s, pics, and videos you must use some kind of removable media or an external hard drive to transfer the files. If you can get a dedicated external hard drive I would just use that because you don't have to transfer the files over to the Ps3. Also you can setup streaming media via Windows with Media Player.

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